A reply to my tricky question to the SP…

So there was no reply to my question here but the same question came up again in the comments on this blog post – http://theredbadger17.wordpress.com/2011/08/14/israelis-demand-social-justice-but-what-of-the-palestinians/ – and this time there was a reply and then responses by me as follows:

Mark P. – August 16, 2011 at 9:48 PM
Reformist socialism is the belief that socialism can be achieved by a process of gradual reforms. Nobody in this discussion is an advocate of that point of view, although I realise that imputing such a view to others on the left is a central preoccupation of just about every strand of Spartoid.

I never did get a coherent answer from you about the perpetual marginality of the IBT and its predecessors. Perhaps you’ll be able to adapt our host’s attempt at providing an apologia for the LRP “someday”. As for pointing out the utter futility of Spartoid political methodology not constituting a “political critique”, I’m not at all surprised that you regard discussion of the practical consequences and utility of your political approach (or lack thereof) to be irrelevant and diversionary.

Me – August 16, 2011 at 10:13 PM
And the concrete programme presented by the SP is exactly that process of gradual reforms.

Which coincides with you and your comrades’ attacks as abstract ultra-lefts anyone who dares to raise anything about the revolutionary perspective of building working class organisations in opposition to the capitalist state and framework of bourgeois democracy.

I note you throw in “belief” and find that interesting – as if your concrete reformist programme doesn’t matter because you privately “believe” in revolution.

Me – August 16, 2011 at 10:43 PM
And as regards the supposed irrelevancy of the IBT and other tiny groups with more-or-less the same political method I don’t feel any strong need to defend that political method against the only slightly smaller degree of irrelevancy of the CWI.

I prefer to judge political organisations on their programme, both in terms of theory and practice. The political record of the CWI is clear and it is one of consistent reformist opportunism – in terms of the political tradition of revolutionary Marxism anyway.

Me – August 23, 2011 at 2:23 PM
So it seems the SP accept that their political programme is reformist in its concrete application.

But that matters little to them because what is important is their personal belief that they really are “revolutionary” socialists despite spreading reformist bullshit.

Indeed presenting a reformist programme to the working class seems to be taken as a badge of “revolutionary” honour for the SP if the attacks us “ultra-lefts” is anything to go by…

Which I think captures the real content of the SP’s “revolutionary” politics.


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